» Promi Maker VS. Swordsalmon, Version 2.0!

Alright, we're debating again! Standard rules, 3 posts each, Swordsalmon goes first. Promi Maker will be debating with Heath, and Swordsalmon with Fiora.

*Runs off to get some facts laid out.*

Alright, so I'm here to prove why Fiora>Heath.

First of all, let's look at bases and growths.

Fiora, level 7 Pegasus Knight:
HP: 21 70%
Str: 8 35%
Skl: 11 60%
Spd: 13 50%
Lck: 6 30%
Def: 6 20%
Res: 7 50%

Heath, level 7 Dragon Knight:
HP: 32 80%
Str: 13.5 50%
Skl: 10.5 50%
Spd: 9.25 45%
Lck: 8 20%
Def: 11.5 30%
Res: 1 20%

Alright, so Heath devastates Fiora in HP by an incredible 11 points, Strength by 5.5 points, and Defense by 5.5 points. He also has a +2 Luck lead.

However, Fiora has much better Speed, by about 4 points, Resistance by a massive 6 points, and Skill by 1 point.

Right, Heath has much better stats overall, but I would say Fiora has better allocation. For quite a while, Heath can dodge or double at all.

In growths, Heath is superior in HP by 10%, Strength by 15%, and Defense by 15%.

Fiora is better in Skill by 10%, Speed by 5%, Luck by 10%, and Resistance by 30%.

Overall, they're pretty even in growths. Heath has more direct-combat stats, whereas Fiora is better suited to combat the freqent magi and to double more.

Now, supports. Heath has a Thunder affinity, and Fiora a Wind. Thunder is definatly better than Wind.

Heath's support list:
Vaida
Priscilla
Legault
Kent
Louise

Fiora's support list:
Florina
Farina
Kent
Pent
Sain
Eliwood
Geitz

Fiora has considerably better options. Though Heath has Kent and Priscilla, both should of maxed out supports long ago, and the rest of his list sucks. Legault is viable, and his only capable support.

Now Fiora's bad supports are Geitz and Farina. She could make a support triangle with Kent and Sain, or even snag Pent for added Defense. I would say that Florina A, Kent B would be best, as both are quite fast.

Fiora's supports>Heath's supports.

Your turn, Promi Maker.

I must congradulate your start.

So yes,

Heath
+Health
+Str
+ Def

Fiora
+Skill
+Speed
+Res

Heath's +2 luck and Fiora 10% pretty much cancle each other out.
Her 4 point speed though is not as good as it seems my friend, you seem to forget the mighty con stat, heath has a good 2-3 on lead.
So she really cant use more than a iron lance and a slim lance without a speed deduction, she would cry trying to hold a heavy spear, spear, silver lance, brave lance. So once again heath>fiora

Now, supports. Heath has a Thunder affinity, and Fiora a Wind. Thunder is definatly better than Wind.

Umm first off wouldnt kent be maxed out

Heath's list isnt all that bad vaida is a tank and louise is a machine on her own as long as she has pent next to her so there are nothing wrong with the supports but the bonuses

In HHM fiora is a speed and res whore agree? So myrmidons/swordmasters & Archers/snipers would demolish her no? Her defense is quite weak and her growth of 20% isnt really helping. Now heath is in the same boat for magic but he has the HP lead to take a hit and come back with a blow, later game his speed picks up 45% isnt that bad he will dodge most but Sages/Bishops, he should have no problem with druids/shamans except nergal OH OH not to mention heath has the great HM Bonuses so he becomes a guy/harken.

So yes your move my man

Yeah, that's pretty true. Heath will have a slight advantage earlier, though.

Yet do you need more than an Iron Lance? Also, Heath can't wield Steel Lances and Heavy Spears without AS loss. Silver Lances, Spears, and Brave Lances are expensive and heavy for both, and the latter two weapons are rare enough to nearly be non-factors.

By then, Kent should have Lyn A, so Fiora is perfectly viable for his B; she comes early enough.

Vaida comes too late to be of much use, and Louise is near-worthless. It's far too dangerous to field a Sniper in HHM, even if she has Pent A.

There's about 3 Swordmasters in the entire game, and Myrmidons are easily taken care of with WTA. Remember that Archers and Snipers break Heath even more than Fiora, as he actually gets hit by most attacks for quite a while. Fiora gains +2 Defense with Kent B, Florina A, so at least she does get a tiny bit of durability lest her insane avoid skills fail. Heath has monstrous HP and good Defense, but no avoid for at least five chapters.

Heath can't take any risks with magic, not even when his avoid builds up, especially since Dragon Master's Speed caps are pitiful.

Uh...no. Guy is amazing because he comes at the perfect time, and Harken just becomes a physical Pent with his HHM bonuses. Heath simply just improves on his better points without gaining anything in the stats he desperatly needs, unlike the former two.

Your turn, friend.

Iron lances do minimal damage they arent as good except for th fact they have alot of uses. But due to heath's higher con his attack speed WILL always be better

Yes but kent will max sain the fastest and lyn second so either of those could be his A/B supports they give the same bonuses

Heath with a priscilla A Legault B is perfectly fine and they would be close except fiora would have .5 more power

Lets look at 20/20 averages shall we?

Hp57.5 Atk 25.9 Skill 24.3 Speed 22.1 Def 19.6 Res 9.4Luck13.4Con10

HP 48.4 Atk 20.8 Skill 25.0 Speed 27.2 Def 14.4Res24.3Luck15.6Con6

Heath +9 HP +5.1 attack +5.2def Con 4
Fiora +.7Skill +5Speed +14Res +1.1 Luck

So fiora is a speed/res whor but heath has more health attack def and the better con.

Slim Lance Wt 4
Iron Lance Wt 8
Steel Lance Wt 13
Silver Lance Wt 10
Javalin Wt 11
Axereaver Wt 13
Horseslayer Wt 13
Killer Lance Wt 9

So fiora can use a slim lance with out AS loss.
Heath can use Slim, Iron, Silver, Killer without AS loss.

Heath>Fiora

The enemies in FE7, even in HHM, are weak enough to fall to the Iron Lance. Also, for most of the game, Fiora will be at a level advantage, so she'll have higher Speed and AS.

Sain is too risky to use for HHM, and Lyn support is very, very fast. Kent really does want Lyn A, Fiora B, as that's basically his best options. It boosts his lowish-Strength very well.

Heath will never get Priscilla. She'll be in the arms of loving Erk or Guy long ago. Legault shouldn't be used much, as Matthew totally outclasses him for non-chest moments, which are few anyways. Heath gets no supports.

Indeed, I'll admit Heath beats her by then. The question is though, can Heath even get close to 20/20? Fiora has an actual likelihood of it.

Agreed as well. However, Iron Lances are the only actual Lance you'll be using frequently. Steels and Silvers are expensive, Axereavers and Horseslayers are rare, and Killer Lances really aren't needed. Also by promotion, Fiora will be using Swords anyways, so her AS speed loss is much minimized.

Now finally, onto usefullness. Fiora is overall much better. She comes decently with an Axereaver, in a chapter filled with Pirates. She'll snack on them to level up. Next chapter has a bunch of Mages, who can't even attack because of Kishuna. After that, the next chapter has many bow-users, but Theives are in abundance for Fiora to sample. Finally, the Dragon's Gate. Reinforcement Mages and a ton of Shaman ensure that Fiora will level up well. Afterwards, you'll fight many Monks and weighed-down Pegasus Knights, which Fiora can take on easily.

Now, we're at Heath's joining chapter. Fiora has gained six levels by then on average.

Fiora, level 13 Pegasus Knight:
HP: 25.2
Str: 10.1 (+5)
Skl: 14.6
Spd: 16.0
Lck: 7.8
Def: 7.2 (+2)
Res: 10.0
Additional bonuses: Hit +20%, Avoid +5%, Critical +20%, Dodge +17%
Florina A, Kent B.

Heath, level 7 Dragon Knight:
HP: 32
Str: 13.5
Skl: 10.5
Spd: 9.25
Lck: 8
Def: 11.5
Res: 1

Yup, Fiora is better. Heath always has that massive HP lead, but Fiora is better in almost everything. Fiora will have an advantage over Heath throughout all but the couple final chapters. Heath just can't get raised enough. Now, endgame.

Fiora, level 10 Falcon Knight:
HP: 48.4
Str: 19.7 (+5)
Skl: 23.6
Spd: 23.5
Lck: 12.6
Def: 14.4 (+2)
Res: 22.0
Florina A, Kent B

Heath, level 8 Dragon Master:
HP: 55.0
Str: 23.5
Skl: 22.5
Spd: 20.65
Lck: 12.2
Def: 20.8
Res: 7.2

Heath has a big HP lead, along with a nice Defense lead, but everything else is yet outclassed by Fiora, even his Strength, though he makes it stronger with Lances. Fiora's Resistance lead is massive, and great for end-game use. Also, remember all the bonuses she gets from supports, and you have a monster. Heath is also amazing by end-game, but all the work it takes for him is too great for him to be better.

Fiora>Heath, slightly. Very fun debate with two of my favorite characters, huh.

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